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Let's Use Some Logic

September 3, 2025 @3:11AM

Do you want traffic to slow down in Stone Cliff? Get rid of the speed limit signs. This encourages some to see how fast they can go - you can test this by turning off the lights and see if the average speeds are any different.

BETTER YET - Personally, I don't care if there are signs or not, but if you want to control the speed use speed bumps or speed berms. I know there are some prior members of the board who think they are experts in this area, but they aren't. Consider: both COSTCO and the Hospital use speed bumps. Many Cities do as well. This said, I don't want either of these installed, I just wanted to point out the flaw in the HOA logic.

ALSO - Why is there a "Cat Program" in Stone Cliff, and who in their right mind thinks a board member, acting as a fiduciary, should give that program HOA funds? Personally I do not like cats, yet the HOA makes sure that these creatures walk across my property at their leisure. Also, has SC, on some level, become a dumping ground for unwanted cats? Maybe I need to start putting out some treats for them ;-)

Board of Directors - You Need To Understand This

August 1, 2025 @1:07PM

Many of you know that for the past 7 years I have raised concern over the liability our association may face if there should be an uninsured bodily injury loss caused by a rock fall on 1450 South.

I want to direct the following to the members of the Board of Directors:

What happens if for any reason the "underlying" policy denies the claim?

First, you would look to the Excess/Umbrella liability policy for coverage. In this policy there are two parts; part A and Part B. Part A basically covers over the existing underlying policy, however, if the insurance company denied coverage under part A (if coverage for the claim did not exist in the underlying policy), then the insured would have to look to Part B for coverage. In this case, Part B excludes any loss due to earth movement, earthquake, etc.

*Somewhere I heard "It doesn't matter if our other policies deny our claim, we have an umbrella policy that covers everything". I don't recall who said this, but it simply is not true.

Now the Board of Directors has a problem.

If the Board of Directors failed to properly insure a known risk, and if at the time of a loss the carrier denied coverage on all possible policies, (Underlying, Part A Excess and Part B Excess) then the Board of Directors has a problem. Actually, they have approximately 470 problems, since all, or nearly all, homeowners would sue the board for their failure to properly insure this risk, and none of them could say they were not aware - I have been making them aware for years.

So, wait - you may say there's no problem since the Board of Directors has purchased a D&O (Director's and Officer's Policy), and the umbrella would surely cover over the D&O, right?

Wrong.

While the umbrella has a limit of $10,000,000 per occurrence, the umbrella does not include D&O in the Schedule of Underlying Insurance, meaning to say the umbrella does not cover over the D&O policy.

Now what?

Since the known risk and the problem with continual falling rocks existed before the effective date, prior acts date, and even in the event when the D&O provides "Full Prior Acts", a problem may exist with the knowledge each of the Board of Directors had when the application for insurance was completed - was full disclosure indicated on the application? Which brings up another question, was full disclosure indicated on the Underlying Policy and the Umbrella Policy?

At that time, the board of directors would have no choice other than sending each homeowner an assessment for their share of the loss, and if some homeowners are not able to pay their assessment, the assessments for other homeowners may increase.

If the carriers all decline coverage, and assessments are sent to homeowners, each member of the board of directors could very well expect to be sued by 470+ homeowners, and they may very well be personally liable.*

*While I am an insurance broker, I am not an attorney. Board members should consult with their attorney/attorneys regarding their possible personal liability. As I have repeatedly said, the right time to confirm these concerns is before a loss - not when you are notified of a lawsuit.

Insurance "Specialist" - What Does That Term Mean?

May 29, 2025 @29:10PM

Understanding Liability Insurance: HOA Specialist vs. Home Health Care Insurance Agent

When shopping for liability insurance, you may come across agents who advertise themselves as "specialists" in a particular industry—such as Homeowners Associations (HOAs) or Home Health Care services. While specialization can suggest familiarity with industry-specific needs, it’s important to understand what that really means when it comes to the insurance forms and coverages being offered.

In reality, many general liability policies are built around standard forms created by ISO (Insurance Services Office). One of the most common forms used across a wide range of industries is the ISO CG 00 01, also known as the Commercial General Liability (CGL) Occurrence Form. This form provides liability coverage for bodily injury, property damage, and personal and advertising injury—on an occurrence basis.

So whether your insurance agent claims to specialize in HOA insurance or Home Health Care liability, chances are they are both using the exact same CG 00 01 form as the backbone of your coverage.

The main distinction comes when agents working with industries like Home Health Care introduce a different form: the ISO CG 00 02, or the Claims-Made CGL Form. This form provides coverage based on when a claim is made, not when the incident occurred—an important difference that can impact your coverage if not managed properly.

Key Takeaway:

  • CG 00 01 (Occurrence Form): Commonly used across industries, including HOAs and Home Health Care.
  • CG 00 02 (Claims-Made Form): Often added in Home Health Care settings due to the nature of long-tail liabilities.

In short, while an agent's claimed “specialization” may sound impressive, always look at the actual policy forms being used. True specialization should go beyond marketing and reflect a deep understanding of your risk profile, contractual obligations, and long-term coverage needs.

Insurance Policy Items of Concern

May 29, 2025 @29:50PM

The following parts of our liability policy are those that I would ask a Liability Coverage attorney for their opinion:

COMMERCIAL GENERAL LIABILITY

CG 00 01 04 13

COMMERCIAL GENERAL LIABILITY COVERAGE FORM

SECTION I – COVERAGES

COVERAGE A – BODILY INJURY AND PROPERTY

DAMAGE LIABILITY

1. Insuring Agreement

b. This insurance applies to "bodily injury" and

"property damage" only if:

(1) The "bodily injury" or "property damage" is

caused by an "occurrence" that takes place

in the "coverage territory";

HOW WILL THE CARRIER DEFINE “OCCURRENCE”? – SUDDEN AND ACCIDENTAL? I am concerned that since rocks have been falling for years that the insurance company, when a claim is presented, may say the loss, or Occurrence, was not "sudden and accidental", meaning it may not qualify for coverage.

2. Exclusions

This insurance does not apply to:

a. Expected Or Intended Injury

"Bodily injury" or "property damage" expected or

intended from the standpoint of the insured.

This exclusion does not apply to "bodily injury"

resulting from the use of reasonable force to

protect persons or property.

COULD WE HAVE “EXPECTED” A LOSS TO OCCUR SINCE ROCKS HAVE BEEN FALLING FOR SOME TIME? If a claim is submitted to the insurance carrier, could they say that we "expected" a claim would happen, since we know rocks have been falling for some time?

SECTION V – DEFINITIONS

13. "Occurrence" means an accident, including continuous

or repeated exposure to substantially the same

general harmful conditions.

AGAIN - HOW WILL THE CARRIER DEFINE “OCCURRENCE”? – SUDDEN AND ACCIDENTAL? Same as above

SECTION IV – COMMERCIAL GENERAL LIABILITY

CONDITIONS

6. Representations

By accepting this policy, you agree:

a. The statements in the Declarations are accurate

and complete;

b. Those statements are based upon representations

you made to us; and

c. We have issued this policy in reliance upon your

representations.

I DON’T KNOW WHAT STATEMENTS / ANSWERS WERE PROVIDED TO THE CARRIER VIA OUR RENEWAL APPLICATION, BUT THIS IS AN AREA THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY HAD KNOWLEDGE, AND IF WE AVOIDED GIVING THE CARRIER CORRECT ANSWERS (IF ASKED IN THE APP) WE COULD HAVE A PROBLEM. I have not seen the renewal application submitted to the insurance company, however, I would be sure to look at any and all statements we made to be sure we did not "Omit" or "Misrepresent" and facts about the risk.

Let's get a written opinion from the insurance carrier and/or a Comprehensive General Liability Insurance Attorney. This would let us know if we need to take any action, or if the coverage we now have is sufficient.

ChatGPT Answers Loss Assessment & Umbrella Rock Fall Questions

May 29, 2025 @29:04PM

  • If the injury was caused by a rock falling from common property, and the HOA’s insurance denies the claim (for example, due to an exclusion or policy limit), unit owners may be assessed to cover the costs (damages, legal defense, settlements).


Summary:

CoverageMay Apply?Conditions
Loss Assessment✅ PossiblyOnly if the injury is due to a covered peril and you’re assessed.
Personal Umbrella
 Unlikely
Unless you're personally named in the suit and legally liable.

  1. Review your HO-6 (homeowners) policy, especially the Loss Assessment endorsement.
  2. Check with your insurance agent to confirm whether the bodily injury qualifies as a covered peril under your policy.
  3. Ask your umbrella carrier if you have coverage in case of being assessed due to a liability loss by your HOA.
  4. Talk to a lawyer if you're facing actual legal liability or a significant assessment.

Rock Fall / Bodily Injury on 1450 South

January 14, 2025 @14:35PM

Now that there has been a few changes on the board, maybe it's time to re-visit this issue.

If someone gets hurt / killed or if property is damaged from rocks falling from the cliffs along 1450 South, will the HOA's General Liability policy respond with defense and liability coverage?

I have presented this question to the board on numerous occasions, and honestly I don't think they even understand my concern. When I hear, "our agent said it's covered", or "the city said we're not liable", or when our attorney says, "we wouldn't be liable", I get nervous - very nervous. No one knows who would be liable until the conclusion of a trial.

Please note: I have never said our policy would not respond. I have said I'm not sure it would. Why? Because the policy is "silent" on this issue. It is not specifically highlighted in the insuring agreement, nor is it listed in the exclusions. This said, there are, in my opinion, a couple troubling parts of the policy that might limit, or exclude coverage.

What would a professional risk manager do at this point?

1. The best thing to do NOW is get confirmation from the insurance company, not the agent, in writing that they would respond to a claim - not just defense, but liability (damages for bodily injury & property damage).

2. Obtain written confirmation from our attorney stating his opinion regarding our liability. At the same time, get a certificate of insurance from him, naming our association as additional insured, of his Errors & Omissions insurance - (this includes name of insurance company and limits of liability).

3. Get written confirmation from the City of St. George stating their liability, and stating if they would defend us in the event of a claim.

It's that simple. Without it, we simply do not know if there is coverage or not. Collecting people's verbal opinions is meaningless.

I know that some board members (some current, some past), felt that they knew more about insurance that I do. Some felt attacked when I asked the question, and it was obvious to me that they felt that they had to know more, and accepting help was somehow admitting defeat. You all have seen these type of people, but it's just too important to not get this right - before a claim.

Some also believe their "loss assessment" coverage included in their Homeowner's policy would protect them. This is not the case - don't rely on false statements. If a claim were to happen, and the association's policy did not respond, the claim does not just "go away". There is a good chance that we, as homeowners, would still be responsible for the claim via an assessment. Personally, I would like to avoid this possibility.

You cannot rely on your Loss Assessment Coverage on your Homeowner's policy to pay for Assessment claims due to the HOA not purchasing the correct coverage for this exposure.

There are many variables, but likely the coverage that would be required is earthquake, earth movement, or landslide.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THIS COVERAGE ON YOUR HOMEOWNER'S POLICY, LOSS ASSESSMENT COVERAGE WILL LIKELY NOT RESPOND TO A CLAIM.

I have been in HOA meetings when board member(s) told homeowners that if the HOA's policy did not respond to a rock fall claim that the HOA would assess all homeowners their share, and "not to worry" because "your homeowner's policy will pay the assessment". This is not true. This might be a good time to have this discussion with your agent.

Stone Cliff a Fire Hazard Area?

January 14, 2025 @14:44PM

State Representative Colin W. Jack - District #73

State Senator Don L. Ipson - District #29

State of Utah Department of Insurance - John Pike, Commissioner

KUTV Story re: Fire Insurance problem in Utah

Has your insurance agent told you that your insurance premium is increasing since Stone Cliff is in a fire zone?

Historically, insurance companies have used the "Protection Class" method to rate your Homeowner policy's fire hazard. Most homes that are not in brush zones are rated PC-3 - in fact, my current Homeowner's Policy has used PC-3. Click here for more information on Protection Classifications. In my experience, Protection Class 1-3 have the same rates. The only PC-1 I ever saw was actually the city of Vernon, which is, as many of you know, mostly concrete.

After speaking with my Agent today, it appears that insurance companies are also using FIRMS in their underwriting. FIRMS US/CANADA Fire Map.

2/26/25 Update: Find the wildfire risk near you | usatoday.com Thanks to the homeowner who told me about this link.

My agent said she is actively involved in working with her carriers to be more realistic when rating Homeowner (Fire) policies in St. George.*

*UPDATE*

1/22/2025 I called SGFD and inquired regarding which Fire Station responds to our neighborhood. I was told Station #6 is the primary responding station, with Fire Station #1 as the "backup".

I also asked when the last time our fire hydrants were inspected. I was told that they are supposed to be checked annually, but it has been 19 months since the last inspection. Due to this, I was informed that we have been "moved up" in the list, and the inspections should be done soon.

2/26/25 - I spoke to the Fire Department and asked if our fire hydrants have been inspected. I was told that they have not, and won't be for some time. Seems the fire department is pretty busy these days, and hydrant inspection is not at the top of their list (I understand).

I'll post updates to this page.

Fire Station #6 MAP

NO ON CC&R'S! BOARD RELINQUISHED OVERSIGHT!

January 11, 2025 @11:41AM

To understand why homeowners should vote NO on the upcoming CC&R's vote, we offer the following:


✓ RETURN OVERSIGHT TO OUR ELECTED BOARD - OVERSIGHT SHOULD ALWAYS STAY WITH BOARD / HOMEOWNERS
✓ REQUIRE DEVELOPER TO PAY ARCHITECTURAL FEES LIKE ALL OTHER BUILDERS
✓ REQUIRE ALL NEW LOTS TO PAY SAME ASSESSMENTS AS ALL OTHER HOMEOWNERS
✓ STOP ALLOWING DEVELOPER 1 VOTE FOR EACH LOT (30+) – TOO MUCH POWER FOR NON-HOMEOWNER

Click here for the Complete CC&R's filed 3/26/2007. Notice the "NO EXCEPTION FOR DECLARANT".

Click Here for Developer's Proposal

Click Here to see the Miraculous Voting Results!

Click here to see the CC&R's filed 5/7/2020 where the board gave it's oversight power to the Declarant. Prepare to be shocked. Notice where they added: "EXCEPTION FOR THE DECLARANT".

In other words, in 2007 the board limited the Declarant's power by indicating "no exception for the Declarant", however, in 2020 the board accepted the offer from the declarant, and told the homeowners to vote for it. This was done during the COVID debacle, and most homeowners probably didn't realize what they were voting for.

As some of you may remember, the desire to have a new clubhouse was at fever pitch - before the construction contract was signed, the cost for the clubhouse increased by a reported $1,000,000 due primarily to increased materials expense. Previous to the increase, the Developer offered $400,000.00 (the value of two "donated" lots). When the developer was approached by the board to increase their share due to the increased construction bid, the developer refused. Please note: 1. Most Developers pay for all "facilities" at developments like ours - it's redicluos for a developer to ask homeowners to pay for something he should have paid for. 2. When the developer refused to pay the increased costs, the HOA at that time should have cancelled the agreement. We have all now seen the outcome of this "deal" with assessment (and from what I hear, another is on the way) and increased monthly fees. If you haven't been involved in this up to this point, consider attending a finance committee meeting and asking questions. This is one reason why the new lots should have to pay the same assessment fees that all HOA members were required to pay ) See Tom Blasdell's proposed amendment (link will be provided).

This is wrong on so many levels. Why would our Board of Directors intentionally support a change to the CC&R's that gave it's oversight power to the declarant? Now, as the CC&R's are written, the board of directors has absolutely no control over the declarant in their Parade of Homes activities, and has released the declarant from paying ARC fees (which is income to the HOA) like all other builders! This is a large sum of money that should have gone to the HOA, but thanks to the board (signed by Todd Clement and Carolyn Jentzer) Pure Style Construction (The "Declarant") owned by Kason Traveller will not have to pay the fees described. I think we need some answers, and this needs to be fixed. No legitimate board of directors would ever vote to relinquish it's oversight authority to a builder on HOA property, and waive fees all other builders are required to pay. This could be as much as $100,000 that should be in the HOA account, but because of the strong friendships that exist, we don't have those funds. Does anyone on the board know what acting as a fiduciary means? Are you all so afraid to vote against the developer? Hopefully, things will start to change soon.

3/26/2007 DOC #20070015000

(Pages 1 - 43)

RESTATED & AMMENDED

DECLARATION OF COVENANTS, CONDITIONS & RESTRICTIONS

OF STONE CLIFF, A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT

4/4/2011 DOC #20110010279

AMENDMENT (Page 58)

4/4/2011 DOC #20110010278

AMENDMENT (Page 60)

4/9/2014 DOC #20140010523

AMENDMENT (Page 63)

5/7/2020 DOC #20200022704

AMENDMENT (Page 85)

Assessments and the Clubhouse Financing

February 6, 2025 @6:41AM

History of Assessments & Fees:

2/21/2022 - $2,400.00 Assessment

1/1/2024 - Monthly Fee $284.00

1/1/2025 - Monthly Fee $312.79

Ready for another assessment? It's in the works!

Google & the Construction Entrance

January 22, 2025 @22:11PM

Many of you have experienced when your family / friends / vendors tell you that Google Maps sent them to the construction entrance instead of the main entrance. Below I have pasted the directions to correct this from Google.

How do I notify Google Maps of an error?

Report a problem and send feedback

  1. On your computer, open My Maps.
  2. Open or create a map.
  3. At the bottom, click Help .
  4. Select Send feedback, Report inappropriate content, or Help.
  5. Follow the steps and click Ok or Send .

Please let me know if you are successful with this method.